What the poster says!

Publié par Patrick on Saturday, June 11, 2011

I wholeheartedly agree!

29 commentaires:

vijay said...

i agree as well

6:47 AM
Barcaldine Theatre said...

+1

7:41 AM
Anonymous said...

Concur! YAY!

8:23 AM
Nate Dawg said...

Seriously Pat, stick to book reviews. Dinklage's rendering of Tyrion is EMBARRASSING to behold. He's downright awful, overwrought, and can't nail an accent correctly. I cringe whenever I see him butcher the scenes I most anticipated.

8:33 AM
mle said...

Hear, Hear!

10:29 AM
vowiner said...

I agree with Nate Dawg. Though I must say Tyrion isn't among my favourite characters in the ASOIAF books either, but there Tyrion is at least likeable and complex to a certain extent. Dinkage however definitely overacts and makes Tyrion much more unpleasant. I know Tyrion is supposed to be smug, but in the show he seems like he's so excited by his own cleverness that he almost soils himself.

10:30 AM
Anonymous said...

Boo, Nate Dawg. Btw, get Joe on the show!

Do Mance and Tyrion ever meet?

10:31 AM
Anonymous said...

Ooh, and what was that?

Seriously, one more season, then we'll see. For me the winner is Mark Addy as King Robert.

10:42 AM
Peterbound said...

Nate,
What accent? Why should he have an accent at all. It's not like Westeros is north london and he needs to have a regional dialect. He sounds fine to me.

Half the people in the North don't sound alike, nor do the folks in the Neck or the South. If linguistics is your complaint, Dinklage is the least of the sins on that show.

Next you'll be complaining the Dothroki aren't REALLY hitting their enunciations right while speaking a foreign tongue.

Tyrion sounds like he has a light english accent. Reminds me of many of the American kids I met, while living in Mildenhall, that had been raised in the UK for a significant period of time. Not to heavy on the accent, but it's still there.

Guess what i'm trying to say, is lighten the fuck up, and stop watching the show if you 'cringe' every time you hear it.

10:44 AM
Anonymous said...

As much as I'd love it, I think he needs more screentime than he had until now, and perhaps some variety.

11:02 AM
Anonymous said...

@vowiner:
I don't see any difference in Peter Dinklage's version of Tyrion and the one in the books. He fits 100%. And no, there is no overacting. Dinklage is Tyrion, as Mark Addy he will be remembered as Tyrion and not for another role. He has his sensitive phases, we get them, all his weaknesses, his flaws and his benefits. Tyrion needs to put something as a shield in front of him to overcome his physical disadvantage, his outward appearance. And this is his wits and his "proud" of being a Lannister. With every part of the series Dinklage lives and shows that he questions his "role" as Lannister almost openly, even if his second shield is that 'a Lannister always pays his debts'.

And strange, dear vowiner, that for many (I guess 80%) readers, Tyrion is the most interesting POV. You never know what clever plans he has in mind and you want to know him better, to understand how his brain works, on which side(s) he stands, which is a hard undertaking.

For me Sansa is not quite as I imagined her and Hodor could be more likeable. Bran and Rickon are a bit of a surpise. Bran has not the "screentime" he has in the books. Good choice.
And Arya ... wow, very good casting. A future or now present star. There were a few scenes where I spent some tears because I couldn't believe that she is even better than in the books.

But as I mentioned earlier, Mark Addy was outstanding. He managed to be Robert Baratheon. If I would see him in real life, he would be King Robert, even without beard and red drunk's nose. Emmy!

For me one negative point of the series so far:
Is it just me or does the TV adaption give the feel of obsessive nakedness? I mean, do we need to see everyones penis, vulva or even extremely "important" sex scenes? Don't misunderstand me, bit I found some scenes overdone and a bit ill-fitting. I have the feeling the producers want to hit a new level, a bit offending in some ways and of course not necessary for the story or the way we all receive the harsh times in this pseudo-medieval world. I don't remember the books to put that in front just as the series does. Maybe a few million porn fans will be added worldwide. Who knows.

And one more negative aspect on a very high level: why have some scenes to look like they were done on a stage. The lighting seems not to be natural even if the scenes are done outdoors. If you look at some shots you think the actors and the participants stand there for a family photo instead for a action scene. (For you to see what I mean, remember the scene where Daeny was almost poisoned, the wine merchant flees and gets caught. The camerawork then shows two things: the atmosphear of a stage and of a family photo.
The camera work is not the best and cannot be compared to the fabulous cast.

12:27 PM
machinery said...

tyrion is just a great character.
but that's no reason by itself to give him an emmy...
now that i think about it, emmy is shit anyways, the current TV is just awefull.
the hell with it, give him, i don't care.

2:22 PM
Anonymous said...

Current TV is shit?
Hm, I don't think there was a time where we had more high quality series out there.
Think alone of Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad and now Game of Thrones.

2:51 PM
Nate Dawg said...

His accent changes from moment to moment and seems very contrived.

This is a legitimate complaint that some of the big reviewers (not just unimportant me) have pointed out.

3:25 PM
machinery said...

anonymous - how many great shows were there in the past 5 years ?
lost was good for 2 seasons then it became stupid stupid stupid.
fringe ?
terrible, predictable.
more cop shows, more laweyrs ?
in the past 5 years i can't rememeber one good show that lasted. or at all.

3:26 PM
vowiner said...

@ Anonymous

I can easily believe that Dinklage will be remembered for his role as Tyrion but I also think that's mostly because Tyrion is among the best roles ever for a "little person" in TV or movies. Kinda sad, that. But to me, Tyrion isn't the best character in GoT. I feel they've downplayed his humane (both good and bad) sides and made him more like a walking joke-machine. Tyrion has a lot of good one-liners in the books as well – although I'm so humourless I don't find them always as amusing as the other characters who usually burst into laughing at every single quip – but he has also an interesting mind when he's not angsting or self-pitying too much. The inner monologue is something that is easily lost in translation and in Tyrion's case it matters more than, say, Ned's. It's a bit difficult to put my finger on exactly what's wrong with Dinklage's performance, but I can't see his theatrics as a shield to overcome his physical disadvantage. He sort of acts as if he's already sure of the outcome, like all he needs to do is to speak up and everyone will be awed. Not a shield, but a banner of victory. There's no sense of trying.

I'm aware that Tyrion is generally a very liked character and I would like to appreciate him more. It's just that I find him somewhat Mary-Sueish (along with Jon & Dany) and that grates on me. GRRM goes too easy on him and so far haven't done anything truly challenging with him. Of course the series is still incomplete, and as Tyrion did some quite disturbing things in ASOS, there's still hope that GRRM dares to make Tyrion pay or get his come-uppance. We'll have to wait and see how it all plays out. Hee. Only one more month!

As for the rest on your post, I can mostly agree :) Just want to add that the guy who played Viserys was simply brilliant. He took one of the shallowest characters from the books and turned him to a real human being.

4:05 PM
Anonymous said...

Come to think of mentioning random stuff, Rory McCann as the Hound is really excellent. The way he spoke his line "who do you think send me?" was really delicious. Just notice it because it was his first real "character" moment.

4:42 PM
Ludwig Van said...

@machinery:

Considering the programmes you mention, I conclude that you actually don't know many high-quality television series. "Fringe"? "Lost"? Laughable.
Educate yourself.

7:56 AM
Anonymous said...

People need to give up the old "not faithful to the book obsession". The transfer will never retain the original, especially when moved from completely different formats. Perhaps Tyrion's attitudes or mannerisms seem to be off from the book- I say good! I don't want to reread the book through film. I'm watching to see something new, different. I say so far, so good. Give the damn Imp the emmy already!

9:44 AM
Anonymous said...

Tyrion is full of win. nate dawg, your comment was EMBARRASSING to read. stick to reviewing the McDonalds menu.

1:50 PM
Anonymous said...

Sorry, have to agree that Dinklage's performance is not 100% working for me, unfortunately.

My Emmy vote (for a GOT-actor) would go definitely to Harry Lloyd for an OUTSTANDING performance as Viserys.

This guy blew me away, was so much better than expected and arguably the most surprising and outstanding male performer on the show so far.

3:00 PM
Anonymous said...

As an avid fan of ASOIAF, and Tyrion's character, I think Dinklage has done an amazing job with it. Better than I could have ever hoped for.

On the other hand, I was much more conflicted with Mark Addy. He did do a great job acting-wise, which I suppose is all that really matters, but I couldn't help but feel he was miscast in the role. He looked more like a young Santa Claus than an old warrior to me. He seemed a little too pudgy to me, and his facial features were just too roundish, but I guess I'm just nitpicking (and yes, I understand he's supposed to be overweight, but that's just not what I pictured... that's all).

I also really like Charles Dance's portrayal of Tywin Lannister, and Conleth Hill's portrayal of Varys. Both seem to fit their characters rather well. Harry Lloyd did a good job with Viserys as well, and I've also been impressed with the guy who plays Bronn (can't recall his name). And of course, everyone seems to love the little girl who plays Arya. She's definitely got a bright future on the big screen.

9:51 PM
vowiner said...

@ Anonymous
"People need to give up the old "not faithful to the book obsession". The transfer will never retain the original, especially when moved from completely different formats. Perhaps Tyrion's attitudes or mannerisms seem to be off from the book- I say good! I don't want to reread the book through film. I'm watching to see something new, different."

Don't get me wrong, I like fan fiction as much as you when it's properly done. In fact I had hoped to see Tyrion in a new light – as I said, I'm not a big fan of the book Tyrion - but I don't think it's working what they’re doing with Tyrion in GoT. One of the most sympathetic features he has in the books is his underdogness, but he doesn't seem much like an underdog in GoT. It seems like he's destined to win and he knows it beforehand. And it's too big a change to make Tyrion's character work, imo. I cannot root for him or cheer for him. Another thing is his accent and the way he talks. It's clearly so different from others' manner(s) of speaking – from his own family members' as well! – it must be something he has developed by himself. So in fact he’s "faking" it. In scenes like his confession scene at Eyrie it works in a way (though I didn't find that scene amusing, it was actually rather embarrasing to watch how they made someone tell a mediocre joke like it was the best thing ever), but in a scene like him telling the sob story of his love story with Tysha it's just plain weird.

2:47 AM
Nate Dawg said...

Those of us who can appreciate good acting on this thread know where it's at--Harry Lloyd's portrayal of Viserys. We can also recognize where it's not--Dinklage's Tyrion.

;)

2:30 AM
Anonymous said...

If being a dwarf is not enough of an underdog I don't know what is. Dinklage is perfect for the role, and I'm very impressed with his performance. It seems to me the majority of viewers agree, and its an anal minority for whom his portrayal doesn't match the image they had in their heads that dislike him. Not being able to know what Tyrion is thinking inside makes him more of a badass. If some haters hate him for that, so be it.

2:32 AM
Annotatious said...

Well, I'm not sure he's exactly the Tyrion of the books, because where Dinklage makes a dry performance, book-Tyrion might sometimes flash an "impish" grin. But I think it works perfectly for the screen, so who cares.

7:17 PM
vowiner said...

@ Anonymous

In my opionion, the underdogs in GoT are the child/women characters (and of course the poor, but the story doesn't focus on them). Tyrion is an adult male and in a very privileged position. His dwarfness is an obstacle other adult males don't have, but Dinklage's performance doesn't make me feel for him as I feel for Arya, Catelyn, Dany, Bran or others who clearly try to overcome the (unfair) difficulties they are forced to face. The fact that Dinklage is almost twice as old as book T and they didn't give him a proper make-up are imo also making Tyrion seem less innocent/naive/whatever and less shunned-down, but of course I can't fault Dinklage for those.

3:31 AM
rastronomicals said...

Not sure where these Dinklage-haters are coming from. I've been moderately disappointed by the show, but Dinklage has been an absolute highlight.

Some of that is because Tyrion is such a great character, but much of it is because Dinklage did such a great job.

10:24 AM
Clara said...

Go, Tyrion! I seriously don't see why he doesn't deserve an award for his astounding performance.
where to sell gold

3:10 AM

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